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	<title>Comments on: Epistemic Modals and Contextualism</title>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://jonathanichikawa.net/weblog/epistemic-modals-and-contextualism/#comment-171</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, do you then want to say that "Westley knew that Buttercup was engaged, but she might not have been"? That doesn't seem to me to be possible, if 'might' gets an epistemic reading.

(And of course, 'your version of SSI' is IRI. So there's a happy reading of your first language. :P )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, do you then want to say that &#8220;Westley knew that Buttercup was engaged, but she might not have been&#8221;? That doesn&#8217;t seem to me to be possible, if &#8216;might&#8217; gets an epistemic reading.</p>
<p>(And of course, &#8216;your version of SSI&#8217; is IRI. So there&#8217;s a happy reading of your first language. :P )</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Weatherson</title>
		<link>http://jonathanichikawa.net/weblog/epistemic-modals-and-contextualism/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Weatherson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Of course, by SSI I meant IRI! I'm often grumpy at people who use 'SSI' to mean IRI, so that's somewhat embarrassing on my part.)

I don't think (b) in The Princess Bride story is inconsistent with saying that Westley knew that Buttercup was engaged. I think a large part of the context dependence of 'might' is that there's some flexibility in which epistemic relation the salient person must stand in. The natural way (for someone who denies E=K) to read (b) is as saying not that Westley's *knowledge* was consistent with Buttercup not being engaged, but as saying that his *evidence* was consistent with Buttercup not being engaged.

I'm not super confident about that last paragraph because I don't really have a good grip on how tense-shifted epistemic modals work though. I find them a little mystifying actually...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Of course, by SSI I meant IRI! I&#8217;m often grumpy at people who use &#8216;SSI&#8217; to mean IRI, so that&#8217;s somewhat embarrassing on my part.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think (b) in The Princess Bride story is inconsistent with saying that Westley knew that Buttercup was engaged. I think a large part of the context dependence of &#8216;might&#8217; is that there&#8217;s some flexibility in which epistemic relation the salient person must stand in. The natural way (for someone who denies E=K) to read (b) is as saying not that Westley&#8217;s *knowledge* was consistent with Buttercup not being engaged, but as saying that his *evidence* was consistent with Buttercup not being engaged.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not super confident about that last paragraph because I don&#8217;t really have a good grip on how tense-shifted epistemic modals work though. I find them a little mystifying actually&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nate</title>
		<link>http://jonathanichikawa.net/weblog/epistemic-modals-and-contextualism/#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator>nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan: Yes, though that premise isn't "standard." Yalcin thinks epistemic modals are sensitive to the issues/questions that are salient in the inquiry. Thony and Kai think they signal something about the character of the available evidence. Although I don't know that anyone explicitly endorses this, you might say they're sensitive to salient alternatives, in the same way knowledge is (because, e.g., you think it's a datum that might(p) iff ~K~p, which doesn't seem crazy to me). (I thought this was what Brian was getting at, but I probably misunderstood.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan: Yes, though that premise isn&#8217;t &#8220;standard.&#8221; Yalcin thinks epistemic modals are sensitive to the issues/questions that are salient in the inquiry. Thony and Kai think they signal something about the character of the available evidence. Although I don&#8217;t know that anyone explicitly endorses this, you might say they&#8217;re sensitive to salient alternatives, in the same way knowledge is (because, e.g., you think it&#8217;s a datum that might(p) iff ~K~p, which doesn&#8217;t seem crazy to me). (I thought this was what Brian was getting at, but I probably misunderstood.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://jonathanichikawa.net/weblog/epistemic-modals-and-contextualism/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John: yeah, I had a vague memory of that Rysiew and Dougherty piece; thanks for the citation -- I'll have a close look. If the invariantist has to give up the connection between knowledge and epistemic modals, that, I think, is a pretty significant result of this argument.

Brian: good point, the argument as given doesn't favor contextualism over the relevant kind of IRI. That's slightly embarrassing, since I often take a pretty critical view of people who fail to make that distinction; I definitely should have been more careful.

However, it looks to me like a third-person version of the argument should be about as strong. Sometimes, we use epistemic modals to talk about somebody else's evidential situation; it looks to me like we have the same flexibility to choose between 'S knows p' and 'it might be that not-p' (where that might is clearly meant to signal S's epistemic situation -- we can force this interpretation by talking about cases where we know p). For example, suppose we're watching &lt;i&gt;The Princess Bride&lt;/i&gt; for the hundredth time. Westley has heard  an announcement that Buttercup is going to marry Humperdink, and truly believes, on this basis, that Buttercup is engaged to marry Humperdink. It seems to me that we could felicitously describe Westley's situation in either of these ways: (a) "Westley came to confront Buttercup because he knew she was engaged to marry Humperdink"; (b) "Westley had good reason to believe that Buttercup was engaged to marry Humperdink. But of course, testimony is sometimes unreliable. It might've been that it was just a rumor -- still, it was likely enough to make the trip worthwhile. And of course he ended up being right." This kind of data, it seems to me, is just as strong as the data in the post. And I don't see how the IRI view explains it.

Nate: I'm confused. Don't your (1) and (2) just flatly contradict my premise one? I'm not sure I see how this connects to Brian's point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John: yeah, I had a vague memory of that Rysiew and Dougherty piece; thanks for the citation &#8212; I&#8217;ll have a close look. If the invariantist has to give up the connection between knowledge and epistemic modals, that, I think, is a pretty significant result of this argument.</p>
<p>Brian: good point, the argument as given doesn&#8217;t favor contextualism over the relevant kind of IRI. That&#8217;s slightly embarrassing, since I often take a pretty critical view of people who fail to make that distinction; I definitely should have been more careful.</p>
<p>However, it looks to me like a third-person version of the argument should be about as strong. Sometimes, we use epistemic modals to talk about somebody else&#8217;s evidential situation; it looks to me like we have the same flexibility to choose between &#8216;S knows p&#8217; and &#8216;it might be that not-p&#8217; (where that might is clearly meant to signal S&#8217;s epistemic situation &#8212; we can force this interpretation by talking about cases where we know p). For example, suppose we&#8217;re watching <i>The Princess Bride</i> for the hundredth time. Westley has heard  an announcement that Buttercup is going to marry Humperdink, and truly believes, on this basis, that Buttercup is engaged to marry Humperdink. It seems to me that we could felicitously describe Westley&#8217;s situation in either of these ways: (a) &#8220;Westley came to confront Buttercup because he knew she was engaged to marry Humperdink&#8221;; (b) &#8220;Westley had good reason to believe that Buttercup was engaged to marry Humperdink. But of course, testimony is sometimes unreliable. It might&#8217;ve been that it was just a rumor &#8212; still, it was likely enough to make the trip worthwhile. And of course he ended up being right.&#8221; This kind of data, it seems to me, is just as strong as the data in the post. And I don&#8217;t see how the IRI view explains it.</p>
<p>Nate: I&#8217;m confused. Don&#8217;t your (1) and (2) just flatly contradict my premise one? I&#8217;m not sure I see how this connects to Brian&#8217;s point.</p>
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		<title>By: nate</title>
		<link>http://jonathanichikawa.net/weblog/epistemic-modals-and-contextualism/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agreed with brian. perhaps a different way of making is point is that (1) and (2) seem equally tenable (although neither strikes me as especially plausible).

(1) both Kp and might(~p) are true/assertable in light of the information of c
(2) both Kp and might(~p) are true/assertable in light of the information of S

...if "information" is understood to exclude which alternatives are salient with respect to S (or c).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agreed with brian. perhaps a different way of making is point is that (1) and (2) seem equally tenable (although neither strikes me as especially plausible).</p>
<p>(1) both Kp and might(~p) are true/assertable in light of the information of c<br />
(2) both Kp and might(~p) are true/assertable in light of the information of S</p>
<p>&#8230;if &#8220;information&#8221; is understood to exclude which alternatives are salient with respect to S (or c).</p>
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